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Old 11-21-2008, 05:55 AM
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Hi all,

I've been reading the EUR/USD & GBP/USD forums for most of 2008 and I'd just like to thank all of you for sharing your views and knowledge. Hopefully i'll be able to add something useful/helpful to this thread also.

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Old 11-21-2008, 05:58 AM
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Take special noticeof the parts I've put in bold. Now where is my crystal ball??
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yes, the article talks about a 20 year forecast... too far for my eyes to see.

BTW, if world population goes up by 20%, how does the food demand go up by 50%??!

Some recovery in EURJPY etc, made a few bucks in the rocky recovery but since it was Asian trading with low volume, anything can happen in the EU session.
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Old 11-21-2008, 06:11 AM
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yes, the article talks about a 20 year forecast... too far for my eyes to see.

BTW, if world population goes up by 20%, how does the food demand go up by 50%??!

Some recovery in EURJPY etc, made a few bucks in the rocky recovery but since it was Asian trading with low volume, anything can happen in the EU session.
There are some portions of the world population that will start to not be satisfied with just rice.

As for the market, I know what you mean. FX has in fact turned into playing the stock indeces. You'd think that maybe the Nikkei would be happy to hear that the big 3 here probably will go under.
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Old 11-21-2008, 06:17 AM
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There are some portions of the world population that will start to not be satisfied with just rice.

As for the market, I know what you mean. FX has in fact turned into playing the stock indeces. You'd think that maybe the Nikkei would be happy to hear that the big 3 here probably will go under.
Wall Street sets the trend. Rest of the world markets sing "Kumbaya!" with it. I think the markets may open subdued and then rally towards the last hour.
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The same position continues in this pair as it was yesterday.

EUR/USD intraday: key ST resistance at 1.26.
Pivot: 1.26
Our preference: Short positions below 1.26 with targets @ 1.2475 & 1.24 in extension.
Alternative scenario: Above 1.26 look for further upside with 1.2645 & 1.2685 as targets.
Comments: the break below 1.26 is a negative signal that has opened a path to 1.2475.
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Old 11-21-2008, 11:27 AM
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Take special noticeof the parts I've put in bold. Now where is my crystal ball??


U.S. power, influence will decline in future, report saysStory Highlights
Report says China will have growing impact, second largest economy by 2025

There will be an unprecedented global transfer of power because of oil, report says

Indonesia, Iran, Turkey, will likely see power, desire for natural resources increase

"Unprecedented" growth means demand for basic resources will outweigh supply

By Alan Silverleib
CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A government report released Thursday paints an alarming picture of an unstable future for international relations defined by waning American influence, a fragmentation of political power and intensifying struggles for increasingly scarce natural resources.


The report aims to better inform policymakers, starting with the administration of President-elect Barack Obama .

The report, "Global Trends 2025: A Transformed World," was drafted by the National Intelligence Council to better inform U.S. policymakers -- starting with the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama -- about the factors most likely to shape major international trends and conflicts through the year 2025.

"Although the United States is likely to remain the single most powerful actor, the United States' relative strength -- even in the military realm -- will decline and U.S. leverage will become more constrained," says the report, which is the fourth in a series from the Intelligence Council.

The report argues that the "international system -- as constructed following the second World War -- will be almost unrecognizable by 2025 owing to the rise of emerging powers, a globalizing economy, an historic transfer of relative wealth and economic power from West to East, and the growing influence of nonstate actors."

It argues that the world is in the midst of an unprecedented "transfer of global wealth and power" -- from West to East -- that is being fueled by long-term "increases in oil and commodity prices" along with a gradual shift of manufacturing and certain service industries to Asia.

And yet, while American power and influence are projected to decline, America's burdens are not.

"Despite the recent rise in anti-Americanism, the U.S. probably will continue to be seen as a much-needed regional balancer in the Middle East and Asia," the report notes.

The American military will continue to be expected to play a leading role in the war against global terrorism, though the United States as a whole will be less able to "call the shots without the support of strong partnerships."

America's biggest rival by 2025, the reports says, will be China.

"China is poised to have more impact on the world over the next 20 years than any other country," it notes.

The report projects that China will have the world's second largest economy by 2025 and will be a leading military power.

Equally problematic for U.S. policymakers is the fact that China is expected to become the world's biggest polluter and largest importer of natural resources.

China will not be alone, however, in terms of its desire to provide a consumption-oriented American lifestyle to a rapidly growing population. Countries such as India and, to a lesser extent, Indonesia, Iran and Turkey, will also likely see their power -- and desire for natural resources -- increase.

The report predicts that, the recent economic downturn aside, "unprecedented global economic growth" will mean that the demand for basic resources such as food, water and oil "will outstrip easily available supplies" over the next decade.

As an estimated 1.2 billion people are added to the world population over the next 20 years, the demand for food will rise by 50 percent, the report projects.

The lack of access to stable water supplies will also worsen due to rapid global urbanization, it says.

Further complicating matters is the fact that while demand for energy is projected to rise, oil and gas production will continue to be "concentrated in unstable areas," it says. The world in 2025 is therefore likely to find itself in the midst of a "fundamental energy transition away from oil toward natural gas, coal and other alternatives."

Such a transformation, however, may not stave off armed conflict driven largely by the struggle for scarce resources, the report says.

While conflicts are still most likely to "revolve around trade, investments, and technological innovation and acquisition," the report states that "we cannot rule out a 19th century-like scenario of arms races, territorial expansion, and military rivalries."

Terrorism is also expected to remain a major issue through 2025, though its appeal could be significantly reduced if economic and political liberalization accelerates in the Middle East.

"In the absence of employment opportunities and legal means for political expression, conditions will be ripe for disaffection, growing radicalism and possible recruitment of youths into terrorist groups," the report argues.

Adding to complications in the always-volatile Middle East will be Iran's possible acquisition of nuclear weapons, which could trigger a regional nuclear arms race, the report says. Continuing tensions between India and Pakistan also add to concerns regarding nuclear proliferation, it says.

The report highlights the need for new technological innovation to provide "viable alternatives to fossil fuels" and overcome future food and water constraints. At the moment, "all current technologies are inadequate for replacing" traditional energy sources "on the scale needed," it says.

The bottom line, the report says, is that "the next 20 years of transition to a new system are fraught with risks."

"This is a story," it says, "with no clear outcome."
It makes perfect sense to me, and as I said before, there are zillions of people in the developing world who have yet to buy their first car, a plasma TV or a dishwasher...this week tested the patience of comnmodities stock holders but I am a firm believer. And God save us from war.
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Old 11-21-2008, 01:51 PM
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Wall Street sets the trend. Rest of the world markets sing "Kumbaya!" with it. I think the markets may open subdued and then rally towards the last hour.
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Old 11-21-2008, 11:24 PM
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Looking highly tempted to short USDCAD at 1.2983 with a wide stop. Last time it hit 1.3010 it came back down to 1.17. Remember I was begging for it to go back there!

Also looking at JPY crosses for a short term rally (though long term I am very bearish on them, since JPY may head to 90.00 owing to USD weakness and risk aversion). Further, I expect some relief raly to EUR and GBP.

Also tempted to go long in GBPJPY but past bitter experiences have made a chicken out of me.
I shorted the pair last night at the high. I set my stop 5 pips above and a high limit 50 pips down and when I got home I expected to see a loss and was surprised to see the gain of 50pips! Oil is following the markets and always has. If the dow goes up oil goes up ect.. im not so sure about the way the markets are heading bud gold is taking off to 800 and the markets usually follow. that would mean oil is going up into the 50,s maybe? At 56-59barrel usd/cad should be 1.22 or so. Ive been tracking it for years. I always thought oil was based on demand but found out thats a load of you know what!! It tracks the markets only. Its traded just like what we are doing with currancies. When the dow was way up so was oil the reason oil is so low is because the dow is so low simply. I was talking to a friend who works in the tarsand in northern Alberta. He said they were told theres enough oil just there to sustain the entire worlds oil demands for 200+ years also calculating increases in demand with population growth. This whole green BS is what got us in this mess we are in now. Greed & manipulation. At there plant its 18 dollars a barrel break even. Fuel cost are double what the should be at $49 a barrel like 20 years ago prices we are at now. Food cost havent gone back down so more Greed taking hold again. They rased the cost of produce to offset transportation cost when oil was 130++. What a joke!
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Old 11-21-2008, 11:49 PM
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The same position continues in this pair as it was yesterday.

EUR/USD intraday: key ST resistance at 1.26.
Pivot: 1.26
Our preference: Short positions below 1.26 with targets @ 1.2475 & 1.24 in extension.
Alternative scenario: Above 1.26 look for further upside with 1.2645 & 1.2685 as targets.
Comments: the break below 1.26 is a negative signal that has opened a path to 1.2475.
At the close dollar strength was driving the eur/usd down. It was a very weak rally in the dow not even taking back yesterdays open! Not good for the dow. The bars were small short extentions. Just trickling up. It wouldnt take much to sent the dow to below 7000 soon. There for I see 1.24 next week. Maybe lower? I believe the 1.28 on wed the failed attempt on 1.30 test. On the hourlys we are in a bear chanel that hasnt broke not once! Lower highs and about to be lower lows below 1.24.
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Old 11-22-2008, 12:15 AM
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Take special noticeof the parts I've put in bold. Now where is my crystal ball??


U.S. power, influence will decline in future, report saysStory Highlights
Report says China will have growing impact, second largest economy by 2025

There will be an unprecedented global transfer of power because of oil, report says

Indonesia, Iran, Turkey, will likely see power, desire for natural resources increase

"Unprecedented" growth means demand for basic resources will outweigh supply

By Alan Silverleib
CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A government report released Thursday paints an alarming picture of an unstable future for international relations defined by waning American influence, a fragmentation of political power and intensifying struggles for increasingly scarce natural resources.


The report aims to better inform policymakers, starting with the administration of President-elect Barack Obama .

The report, "Global Trends 2025: A Transformed World," was drafted by the National Intelligence Council to better inform U.S. policymakers -- starting with the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama -- about the factors most likely to shape major international trends and conflicts through the year 2025.

"Although the United States is likely to remain the single most powerful actor, the United States' relative strength -- even in the military realm -- will decline and U.S. leverage will become more constrained," says the report, which is the fourth in a series from the Intelligence Council.

The report argues that the "international system -- as constructed following the second World War -- will be almost unrecognizable by 2025 owing to the rise of emerging powers, a globalizing economy, an historic transfer of relative wealth and economic power from West to East, and the growing influence of nonstate actors."

It argues that the world is in the midst of an unprecedented "transfer of global wealth and power" -- from West to East -- that is being fueled by long-term "increases in oil and commodity prices" along with a gradual shift of manufacturing and certain service industries to Asia.

And yet, while American power and influence are projected to decline, America's burdens are not.

"Despite the recent rise in anti-Americanism, the U.S. probably will continue to be seen as a much-needed regional balancer in the Middle East and Asia," the report notes.

The American military will continue to be expected to play a leading role in the war against global terrorism, though the United States as a whole will be less able to "call the shots without the support of strong partnerships."

America's biggest rival by 2025, the reports says, will be China.

"China is poised to have more impact on the world over the next 20 years than any other country," it notes.

The report projects that China will have the world's second largest economy by 2025 and will be a leading military power.

Equally problematic for U.S. policymakers is the fact that China is expected to become the world's biggest polluter and largest importer of natural resources.

China will not be alone, however, in terms of its desire to provide a consumption-oriented American lifestyle to a rapidly growing population. Countries such as India and, to a lesser extent, Indonesia, Iran and Turkey, will also likely see their power -- and desire for natural resources -- increase.

The report predicts that, the recent economic downturn aside, "unprecedented global economic growth" will mean that the demand for basic resources such as food, water and oil "will outstrip easily available supplies" over the next decade.

As an estimated 1.2 billion people are added to the world population over the next 20 years, the demand for food will rise by 50 percent, the report projects.

The lack of access to stable water supplies will also worsen due to rapid global urbanization, it says.

Further complicating matters is the fact that while demand for energy is projected to rise, oil and gas production will continue to be "concentrated in unstable areas," it says. The world in 2025 is therefore likely to find itself in the midst of a "fundamental energy transition away from oil toward natural gas, coal and other alternatives."

Such a transformation, however, may not stave off armed conflict driven largely by the struggle for scarce resources, the report says.

While conflicts are still most likely to "revolve around trade, investments, and technological innovation and acquisition," the report states that "we cannot rule out a 19th century-like scenario of arms races, territorial expansion, and military rivalries."

Terrorism is also expected to remain a major issue through 2025, though its appeal could be significantly reduced if economic and political liberalization accelerates in the Middle East.

"In the absence of employment opportunities and legal means for political expression, conditions will be ripe for disaffection, growing radicalism and possible recruitment of youths into terrorist groups," the report argues.

Adding to complications in the always-volatile Middle East will be Iran's possible acquisition of nuclear weapons, which could trigger a regional nuclear arms race, the report says. Continuing tensions between India and Pakistan also add to concerns regarding nuclear proliferation, it says.

The report highlights the need for new technological innovation to provide "viable alternatives to fossil fuels" and overcome future food and water constraints. At the moment, "all current technologies are inadequate for replacing" traditional energy sources "on the scale needed," it says.

The bottom line, the report says, is that "the next 20 years of transition to a new system are fraught with risks."

"This is a story," it says, "with no clear outcome."
The only reason the states wants to be less reliant on fossal fuels is because they have no oil compared to other nations. The 80% exporting of fuel cost them to much and there relations with the oil rich nations isnt as good as they would like. The demand for China to get most of the oil is a threat to the USA. Arab nations will supply China first because they will pay with real money. Canada has signed a hudge agreement with China to import up to 50% of our oil. Terrisan Gas and Duke energy control the west coasts oil and gas from northern BC but the new pipline to Kitimat from Ft MacMurry is funded by Shell oils Son from China. The new port will fuel tankers for Asia not the USA. If North Ameraca can come up with something beter than OIL it would save more money and if it was something NorthAmerica could sustain with out being reliant on other countries they could profit by it were they are not right now with the presant system. Automakers. Again if the future is alternate fuel we need the big two to stay hear because the long term plan would fall apart if we were all driveing Toyotas. Dodge doesnt count anymore forein owned. Its not about going green to save the planet its about PROFITTING more from transportation in the future. Exporting 80% of the oil to make gas for your car and truck isnt as good as not exporting anything to drive. = less expense for transportation. In the middle east its cheep to drive gas is like 10-20 cents a gallonbecause they have oil. Canada is like the states only worse for taxes because we have such a large county and only the population of less than California we need higher prices to cover the countries expenses. We have oil but China has already started the infrustructure for it.
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Old 11-22-2008, 06:03 AM
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The only reason the states wants to be less reliant on fossal fuels is because they have no oil compared to other nations. The 80% exporting of fuel cost them to much and there relations with the oil rich nations isnt as good as they would like. The demand for China to get most of the oil is a threat to the USA. Arab nations will supply China first because they will pay with real money. Canada has signed a hudge agreement with China to import up to 50% of our oil. Terrisan Gas and Duke energy control the west coasts oil and gas from northern BC but the new pipline to Kitimat from Ft MacMurry is funded by Shell oils Son from China. The new port will fuel tankers for Asia not the USA. If North Ameraca can come up with something beter than OIL it would save more money and if it was something NorthAmerica could sustain with out being reliant on other countries they could profit by it were they are not right now with the presant system. Automakers. Again if the future is alternate fuel we need the big two to stay hear because the long term plan would fall apart if we were all driveing Toyotas. Dodge doesnt count anymore forein owned. Its not about going green to save the planet its about PROFITTING more from transportation in the future. Exporting 80% of the oil to make gas for your car and truck isnt as good as not exporting anything to drive. = less expense for transportation. In the middle east its cheep to drive gas is like 10-20 cents a gallonbecause they have oil. Canada is like the states only worse for taxes because we have such a large county and only the population of less than California we need higher prices to cover the countries expenses. We have oil but China has already started the infrustructure for it.
Except, Middle East gas prices are not cheap because they have oil. Same goes for Chavez. It has to do with keeping the natives in check. Norway produces oil and its populace pays for it as much as anybody else. Otherwise, what you suggest is that whoever produces something, sells it internally at a 50%-60% discount. Something that just does not happen.
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Except, Middle East gas prices are not cheap because they have oil. Same goes for Chavez. It has to do with keeping the natives in check. Norway produces oil and its populace pays for it as much as anybody else. Otherwise, what you suggest is that whoever produces something, sells it internally at a 50%-60% discount. Something that just does not happen.
I think what he meant was, oil costs only that much. It doesn't mean oil price elsewhere is the meaningful price and the natives get a discount. Natives get the fair price. We pay the manipulated price. The art of oil price manipulation was mastered by the US oil cartels who have managed to take control of its supply lines.

His point on gold is the highlight. Gold is going to rally and it will automatically pull oil price up and that may push EUR up. I expect gold to go up by 20%, which means EUR may hit 1.40 again. It has nothing to do with Eurozone performence. It is how USD will weaken and with it all commodities and currencies will adjust. A 20% upward correction is not out of place in the short term, since US will once again cut rate (0.5%) and bring US rates close to Japan. See, yours-truly is right once again about US rates, however immodest he may be! Look at the dailybars and if it shows a turn upwards, go for a 30 day hold on EUR and other majors.
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I think there might be some different in prices of Oil and as southee countries are having some pressure from European countries as well as from the US. The oil wells in the Arab countries are going to be attacked by the US and Europen militry forces. This i have read in a paper and heard a news on the television.
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I think what he meant was, oil costs only that much. It doesn't mean oil price elsewhere is the meaningful price and the natives get a discount. Natives get the fair price. We pay the manipulated price. The art of oil price manipulation was mastered by the US oil cartels who have managed to take control of its supply lines.

His point on gold is the highlight. Gold is going to rally and it will automatically pull oil price up and that may push EUR up. I expect gold to go up by 20%, which means EUR may hit 1.40 again. It has nothing to do with Eurozone performence. It is how USD will weaken and with it all commodities and currencies will adjust. A 20% upward correction is not out of place in the short term, since US will once again cut rate (0.5%) and bring US rates close to Japan. See, yours-truly is right once again about US rates, however immodest he may be! Look at the dailybars and if it shows a turn upwards, go for a 30 day hold on EUR and other majors.
Like he said. I was tired after trading for about 24hours! All thursday a nap then london and the us markets. All in All made one bad trade at the end of day rally that prety much wiped out my good proffits. I wasnt sure what I ment but I think i said Canada pays higher oil prices and we are major producers also. Tax on Tax!! I just think we are getting snowed on this shift from fossal fuel stuff thats all. Countries that import more oil want more green cars than ones that dont you could say? I dont know if theres a study on this but thats what I ment sorta. Anyway oil tracks the markets that I do know. Higher gold prices like Bull said will be good for countries that hold more gold than ones that dont in there reserves. I seem to recal someone had a chart on who has how much over the last few years. Now might be a good time to see this again. I believe JPY has quite a bit of gold? That would explain why it never realy went to far down as the DOW rallied 400-500 pips in the closing hour. Gold was going up when the dow was still going down and still went up when the dow was going up also. Thats why I called the dow a weak rally. Gold goes up when things look bad generaly as a safe haven and was being payed up to get it all day on friday. There were small gains in stocks from what I could find. A lot of 20 and 40 cent gains on good names. Nothing special for a 400 point gain I would say. Small gains spread to thin and most just holding on a big point day. I suspect we will ultamitly go as low as 4500 on the dow. In looking at the weekly DOW chart. If ya think GM will pull out of this mess it looks like a good buy at 2 bucks! I figure buy before the next meeting because if the bail out passes it should shoot up. Maybe! I went long on eur at the close with 30 seconds left and placed a 4 pip stoploss and got stopped out on the hour. Oh well it may be a good thing? If your on the right side at open tomorrow holding over the weekend its good for a 100pip start to the week sometimes. Later.
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I think what he meant was, oil costs only that much. It doesn't mean oil price elsewhere is the meaningful price and the natives get a discount. Natives get the fair price. We pay the manipulated price. The art of oil price manipulation was mastered by the US oil cartels who have managed to take control of its supply lines.

His point on gold is the highlight. Gold is going to rally and it will automatically pull oil price up and that may push EUR up. I expect gold to go up by 20%, which means EUR may hit 1.40 again. It has nothing to do with Eurozone performence. It is how USD will weaken and with it all commodities and currencies will adjust. A 20% upward correction is not out of place in the short term, since US will once again cut rate (0.5%) and bring US rates close to Japan. See, yours-truly is right once again about US rates, however immodest he may be! Look at the dailybars and if it shows a turn upwards, go for a 30 day hold on EUR and other majors.
Mr. Bull, take your 30 cent gas and shut up while I do my shopping with the rest of the 49.70 per barrel.
Keep the natives in check by throwing them the crumb of cheap gas while your drinking their blood.
And by the way, this does not mean I don't have the same opinion about MANY "western" leaders.

ROCHESTER, Minnesota (AP) -- Members of Saudi Arabia's royal family spent enough during a visit to the Mayo Clinic to give the area's economy a shot in the arm, according to Rochester, Minnesota, officials.


Saudi Arabian King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz and his entourage's visit brought riches to Rochester, Minnesota.

Rochester officials say Saudi Arabian King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz arrived on November 15 for a checkup at the Mayo Clinic and was accompanied by at least five princes and hundreds of others.

The king left Wednesday, but some members of his group remain in Rochester.

Rochester Convention and Visitors Bureau executive director Brad Jones says a conservative estimate of the royal family's spending on the trip to Mayo Clinic is up to $1.5 million.

Officials say that should offset the area's economic woes. Jones calls that a "great shot in the arm."

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