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Old 12-14-2008, 10:44 PM
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Something I began to see was that the structure of charts and the reason trendlines work has to do with the relationships between time, price, and position of the market. Many traders will use several methods to determine 1 or 2 of the above. When you use all three, the success of your trading will be significantly impacted. I, for one, after YEARS of noticing these relationships failed to grasp all the tools necessary. It wasn't until after I read Robert Miner's "Dynamic Trading," that I got the exact details of how this dynamic market really works. As Kiwi was saying, there are no absolutes, but you sure can narrow down the window of opportunities to what each time frame is telling you.

I for one try to determine the position of the market first, via the EW method, keeping my eyes peeled for the "mistakes" of mass trading psychology. Which EW reveals quite nicely. Combined with technicals that I understand, I place trades for short and medium term opportunities. Here are some of my current assessments of market positioning.


High to Low- 140.74-132.24 = 850 pips A retrace of the following off the 132.24 low is likely resistance for an initial A wave

78.6% RT = 138.92
61.8% RT = 137.49
50% RT = 136.49 (target reached)

Since 50% percent has been hit, we need to start preparing for a B wave to retest the low, assuming it is a solid low we can at least expect a retrace of the same amounts. IT IS IMPERITAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS PSYCHOLOGY. Every high, low, gap, etc. will be tested at every time frame. You could trade a 5 min or 2 hr chart this way.

EW trades in an A-B-C wave format, sometimes A-B-C-D-E in a complex correction and each wave can be identified as impulsive(trend) or corrective(range) It is these sweeping waves of psychology where the answer lies.

Since this psycholgy is so predictable we can continue to look for repeating patterns. One rule I like to focus on is how a C wave usually breaks some technical barrier before resumption of trend or ranging continues. This is why we could therotically pick tops and bottoms of corrections for exploiting trading opportunities. I might expand later on the principals here but you may want to get a copy of the book.

For example, the market has already set the low at 132.24, which is a new low. We now must retest that. But the market has also told us that it is correcting off the lows. This means we should see and A-B-C minimum correction. Lets assume we are using a 4hr chart. Each A wave will have a substructure of waves that could be broken down and identified on smaller time frames. The current bounce off the low is an A wave on the 4 hr chart and has reached 50% RT of the high to low. This is why your line is acting as resistance, even on the hour time frame. IF we are CORRECTING off a low and not trending, we will trade down at least 61.8%-78.6% of the move from 132.24-to 136.58(assuming this is the highest point of A wave).

Total range of A= 444pips (132.24-136.58)
61.8%= 274 pips or 133.84

We should expect major support at this level. There are ways to confirm this by means of time and position as well, but I will leave that to those who want to research this topic further.

The A wave will not be the ultimate high though. After a correction to 133.84, we start to prepare for whether or not a C wave to the upside will form and ultimately hit 61.8% of the 850 point move from 140.74-132.24 at 137.49. It is my belief that we will continue to form triangles as buyers and sellers react to support resistance levels in this pshychological format before a breakout. Which I believe will be to the upside and could happen as the C wave on the 4hr chart begins. The point of all this is, that it cannot happen until we retest 133.84! So I am planning to short at some level of current prices between 136.50 and 137.50 to head down to that level, unless I see signs of support at 50% and confirmation that it is indeed support, I expect 133.84 to be hit and to be a great place to TP. More on all this later! Hopefully you found this information useful. Happy trading!




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Thanks alot for your post, I found it very informative and it also makes me further realize how much more I need to learn. Looking forward to seeing what will happen this week...
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:02 PM
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GbpJpy looks bearish tonight 135.98 is the breaking point, and from there it could possibly touch 132.2 and back up to 135.5
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:39 PM
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Dear Mike,

Yes, but these days, I use my hunch to stay out of the trade than to enter trades...

Dear All,

Good to see posts with lots of good views, charts and projections! The Asia open spiked to 137.50 and has drifted back to below 136 handle... Given the Asia open history, price seems to be headed down in Asia.

The Auto bailout hopes being smashed, we could see some JPY strength through first half of the week.

If USDJPY manages to stay below 90, the GBPJPY (along with other JPY pairs) may experience fresh downside pressure.

On the other hand, if we see another test of sub-90 that is met with strong buy orders (a spike low), then GBPJPY may see support in 132-134 area.

The thing to note is that this week the market may push GBPUSD and USDJPY in opposite directions creating a range bound whipsaw for GBPJPY in 130-138 range.

I'm watching 135 level as of now...a break of which may open downside for fresh lows (below 132.50), while a bounce may provide an opportunity for retest of 137. 134.50 is the congestion level where multiple hourly candles closed on Friday.

I would have entered a short at 135 w target of 132, but I don't trust weekly open price action of Asia, so will wait for US session to enter a trade....
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I don't have the asian open @ 137.50, I have 136.50. I'm currently watching the 1.3675 level and 1.3750 levels, the previous ascending support and resistance levels from the wedge formation...Looking forward to see how price acts between these levels. Also, 10daysma on the daily chart is sitting right @1.37. Price hasn't stayed above the 10sma in weeks...
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Dear NewT,

Yes, the Asia open is typically visible only on platforms like Oanda who are open to trading through weekends (though with higher spreads). Here is today's price action in Asia open...

PS: The timestamps are in Pacific Standard Time...
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:57 AM
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Dear SirFX,

IMHO, the market has priced in most of the bad news on US front, but UK is still a wild card. Also, UK won't unravel till end of Q1'09 in terms of data. So, the UK uncertainty may produce some further downside for GBP pairs.

For USDJPY, I'm leaning more towards a trendless price action as both currencies may soon have similar interest rates. BoJ may roar every now and then along with Fed, but USDJPY may just become a sidelined trading instrument.

Fundamentally, I think the carry action may shift to new carry currencies, e.g. AUDUSD/AUDJPY (Commodities), USDINR/INRJPY (Emerging Market) or USDBRL/BRLJPY (Emerging Market+Commodities).

Though I love GBPJPY, it may experience the same fate of USDJPY in a few years...I've started looking at AUD, INR and BRL as currencies. Though I'm reasonably familiar w AUD and INR, BRL is a big unknown for me...so brushing up some reading on Brazil these days...

For the short term, I think 130-138 may be the range to look for...sell towards upper end, buy at the lower...for the brave, range titter-totter is also a possibility...where you place buys and sells across the range centered around range mid-point and keep entering the new positions to keep overall position neutral...if the pair ranges, such policy can make very nice returns....

I'm just too lazy to watch the price all the time to effectively execute this strategy, so I'll just stick with trades from range extremes...
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:24 AM
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Confirmation of short on GBPJPY at 137.29, wait for .618 RT at 136.95!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Went outside for a smoke and missed my short entry...hoping to get 1 more shot, price bounced right off of the 78.6 fib level @ 137.30...looks like I missed my opportunity
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:40 AM
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Gone short at 137.01.. will keep an eye on this throughout the day..

Maratha, thanks for your thoughts .. I think I will follow your 130-138 advice.. I love the GBP/JPY too, just so unpredictable!! Not too familiar with the other crosses, so will stick to the devil I know..

Sirfx, you were spot on! - thanks!! - fingers crossed to 134.70..

Newt - glad I don't smoke! - hope you can get another chance later in the day..Good luck.

Have to get to work.. will check in later..
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I think price is going to continue to chop higher until a test of the 1.3730 region. Price has been unable to break former support now turned resistance.Also is struggling with the 10daysma on the daily...Looking for a short entry, maybe I will get my chance after all.

What are you thinking sirfx? If price does break the 1.3730-50 range, my bias will change and I will be looking to enter long. Thanks for the book recommendation, will be going to purchase a copy tomorrow...
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Old 12-15-2008, 06:26 AM
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sirfx, did you get a short in?
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Nothing quite logical here - the Nikkei currently up 5.15% yet the Tankan figures were much worse than anticipated.. I cannot see it moving above the 137.00 level during Asia trade.. Europe can be full of surprises on opening..UK govt spending billions of GBP on bank help, so could we see a slight strengthening of the pound?.. We should, but as we all know, these are not normal times..Interesting evening ahead - Still keeping my short in place..!
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Old 12-15-2008, 06:36 AM
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Nothing quite logical here - the Nikkei currently up 5.15% yet the Tankan figures were much worse than anticipated.. I cannot see it moving above the 137.00 level during Asia trade.. Europe can be full of surprises on opening..UK govt spending billions of GBP on bank help, so could we see a slight strengthening of the pound?.. We should, but as we all know, these are not normal times..Interesting evening ahead - Still keeping my short in place..!
Wish I would have shorted when I got another chance, thought I would get another chance at the 1.3725 level and didn't...good luck with your trade man.
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Old 12-15-2008, 06:46 AM
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Thanks Newt... I really hope you get another chance too.. The charts are all over the place, but I tell you what, I do think that when the US govt gives some cash to the auto industry, we could get a spike!! .. The problem is 'timing'.. You just have to be there at the right time.. I was having breakfast, and jumped on.. Good luck Newt, Better go and get some work done.
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Hi Sirfx,

Extremely interesting are your charts and thoughts.. Would you say that 136.90 is holding as a support level, and that a short here would be viable? Thanks for all your info..
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Hi Sirfx,

Extremely interesting are your charts and thoughts.. Would you say that 136.90 is holding as a support level, and that a short here would be viable? Thanks for all your info..
I just shorted from 1.37, I don't see it breaching this area
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